Don't have an account yet? You can create one. As a registered user you have some advantages like theme manager, comments configuration and post comments with your name.
Toonami Infolink: Forums
Toonami Infolink :: View topic - What is Kikaider
Toonami Turner Cartoon Network Thundercats Voltron Space Ghost Birdman Herculoids Dino Boy Galaxy Trio Mighty Mightor Moby Dick
Shazzan The
Impossibles Max Fleisher's Superman (a.k.a. Roulette) The Real Adventures of Johnny Quest Robotech Sailor Moon DragonBall Z Filmation Superman Batman Superfriends ReBoot
Ronin Warriors G-Force Powerpuff Girls Batman: The Animated Series Gundam Wing Tenchi Muyo! Universe in Tokyo Superman Outlaw Star Big O CardCaptors Mobile Suit Gundam O8th
MS Team DragonBall Batman Beyond Gundam 0080 Zoids: Zero Hamtaro Zoids: Chaotic Century Guardian Force G Gundam He-Man and the Masters of the Universe Transformers: Armada
G.I. Joe .hack//Sign Yu Yu Hakusho Rurouni Kenshin QuickTime .mov MOV AVI .avi MPEG .mpg Movies movie Videos Clips Sounds articles rants essays images files CNX inner circle
cn2 revolution Japan japanese multimedia saban funimation toei graz harmony gold mainframe Tyler Zogg TylerLToonami Turner Cartoon Network Thundercats Voltron Space
Ghost Birdman Herculoids Dino Boy Galaxy Trio Mighty Mightor Moby Dick
Shazzan The
Impossibles Max Fleisher's Superman (a.k.a. Roulette) The Real Adventures of Johnny Quest Robotech Sailor Moon DragonBall Z Filmation Superman Batman Superfriends
ReBoot
Ronin Warriors G-Force Powerpuff Girls Batman: The Animated Series Gundam Wing Tenchi Muyo! Universe in Tokyo Superman Outlaw Star Big O CardCaptors Mobile Suit Gundam
O8th
MS Team DragonBall Batman Beyond Gundam 0080 Zoids: Zero Hamtaro Zoids: Chaotic Century Guardian Force G Gundam He-Man and the Masters of the Universe Transformers:
Armada
G.I. Joe .hack//Sign Yu Yu Hakusho Rurouni Kenshin QuickTime .mov MOV AVI .avi MPEG .mpg Movies movie Videos Clips Sounds articles rants essays images files CNX inner
circle
cn2 revolution Japan japanese multimedia saban funimation toei graz harmony gold mainframe Tyler Zogg TylerL
Saying the masks stay on out of respect is really a cop-out. A lot of shows do not have the alternate identities of the people modeled so they find work arounds. And that is what you are seeing here. No more no less. If they had respect for each other they wouldnt care if they were wearing thier cape and mask. I understand in Batmans case its one of my favorite scenes from Batman Beyond"
"Bruce how did you know the voices in your head weren't real?"
"They called me Bruce"
So yes his secret identity is bruce wayne and his real identity, in his mind, is that of batman.
Concerning the animation style. I did say that there were a couple battle scenes where it got better. The Justice Guild episode is probaly one of my favorites. It had an original story line. Made references to tons of different cartoons, comics and superheroes. The animation was above par for it.
But saying that the pilot for JL and for B:AS are respective of showing how each show improved. I don't accept that. Because by the pilot B:AS (hope im using the acronyms right here) already had a lot of its trademarks in it. And by the end of all the different series. It was starting to look worse when Batman and Superman shared that angular style. I couldnt help but look at the Batmobile and think of Freakazoid's "It's Toyorific!"
Speaking the JL pilot. It was a War of the Worlds Ripoff. And it didnt hide that. I think Orson Wells is walking in one of the crowds. But after all the leading up to the pilot hour. You think they would have given us something more orignal and less derivative
Seems I hit a nerve here. And I don't think I will let this thread die and not reply. For a group of animation lovers. You should really sit back and look at things again. Just like Nobruki and I are saying 10 years down the line its incredible to look at these shows again. They dont usually age that well. The first three seasons of B:AS. The first 48-50 of BB will both survive for decades and look as good today to our eyes as they did the first time they looked at them.
Tell me the plotline for a later JL so I can remember the episode and see if I can help you. When I am thinking of its animation I am talking about the truck that Flash stopped from hitting the building. And how it looked like it was hovering off the ground and drawn by a 12 year old malaysian on a limited budget.
We are all allowed to have differing opinions. But it is my belief that part of what this forum needs are discussions like these where we tear a show apart. And look at it from a technical and plot sides. Take Gundam Wing. The animation was passable, the plot line between weak and ok. But somehow a bunch of feel a need to think of is as great, including myself. Look at Robotech. A show that took 3 seperate series and redid the stories for all three. And its a show with a loyal cult following inclulding again myself.
My wife and I watch JL with our kids. I will not stop watching it no matter how i feel it looks. It is characters from my childhood. And I want to see them redone. I dont feel the same way about XMan Evolution because they changed to much. Or, dear lord help us, Transformers Armada. Which is just a train wreck.
No one wants to touch the Wonder Woman flying thing? _________________ Certified Narutard
Thu Jun 12, 2003 2:26 pm
Nobuyuki
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
Post subject:
Fodder wrote:
Just like Nobruki and I are saying 10 years down the line its incredible to look at these shows again.
*cough* Or 30.
Quote:
We are all allowed to have differing opinions. But it is my belief that part of what this forum needs are discussions like these where we tear a show apart. And look at it from a technical and plot sides.
No question. I'm glad to see the discussion.
Quote:
No one wants to touch the Wonder Woman flying thing?
Umm...it makes more sense than an invisible plane? -_-''
It's just a variation on jumping into the sky and riding the air currents, like she did in the Silver Age. Doesn't bother me a bit.
And Green-Bird got it in one, even if it's reallly spelled, "The Wings of Honneamise". J/K _________________ "When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."- C.S. Lewis
"Superman can't be emo. He can't cut himself."-CP
Thu Jun 12, 2003 4:25 pm
counterparadox
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
Post subject:
Toonami has alwyas said that they were dedicated to bringing us the best action cartoons on the planet. Nothing to do with press releases, they said it in the older promos.
As for Batman being underplayed, in some interview with the creator that I think Spook posted a link to a while back, they'r making a romance between Wonder Woman and Batman. Next tim you watch, keep that in mind. I've seen hints of it in the first season, and they're going to play it up more next season. So Batman will probably have a bigger role.
And I agree GL has been fleshed out more than the others. But there's only so much you can do with 7 main characters. Most shows have one. Give it time.
And I think it's funny how GL's name is John Stewart, like the host of the Daily Show. (I know, he wasn't named for him, I jsut think it's a funny coincidence.) _________________ anime is teh s uck
Play City of Heroes/Villians? Look me up, Pinnacle server, @C Paradox
Thu Jun 12, 2003 7:45 pm
Rycel
Joined: Nov 09, 2002
Post subject:
I'm probably alone in saying this, but don't particularly like the John Stewart Green Lantern. Call me old-fashioned, but I think they should have just kept Hal Jordan as the GL of the Justice League. Sure I'm partial to Hal anyway, but his story is a little more compatible to the JL writers' style.
Now, by no means, do I have anything against Stewart's character. I just don't like the choices the writers have made concerning how they've developed him. Anyone familiar with Stewart's backstory (check it out here) could tell that they couldn't really gear it to as young an audience as CN is promoting it to. And his particular history is what makes him an endearing character. Unfortunately, John doesn't get the serious treatment he deserves. _________________ Rycel's Death Count on this board: 7
"Great Ironies of Our World": Why is orange juice yellow?
Thu Jun 12, 2003 8:25 pm
Fodder
Joined: Apr 02, 2003
Post subject:
I believe his choice was made because it made the cast a little more rounded and not so fighting whitey.
Hey at least hes not voiced by shaq _________________ Certified Narutard
Thu Jun 12, 2003 9:45 pm
Rycel
Joined: Nov 09, 2002
Post subject:
Fodder wrote:
I believe his choice was made because it made the cast a little more rounded and not so fighting whitey.
Hey at least hes not voiced by shaq
Hey, they could have had Black Vulcan (sorry..."Supervolt"), but they passed on him. Their loss. _________________ Rycel's Death Count on this board: 7
"Great Ironies of Our World": Why is orange juice yellow?
Thu Jun 12, 2003 9:48 pm
Fodder
Joined: Apr 02, 2003
Post subject:
Actually there were many black superheroes. You could have gone with the black Ironman to. Though his new name escapes me. Warhammer? _________________ Certified Narutard
Thu Jun 12, 2003 9:53 pm
Rycel
Joined: Nov 09, 2002
Post subject:
War Machine. But his story isn't quite as dramatic as Tony Stark's. They could have also grabbed Apache Chief, but again they opted for a semi-classical lineup. _________________ Rycel's Death Count on this board: 7
"Great Ironies of Our World": Why is orange juice yellow?
Thu Jun 12, 2003 9:56 pm
Spookmonkey
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
Post subject:
Rycel wrote:
War Machine. But his story isn't quite as dramatic as Tony Stark's. They could have also grabbed Apache Chief, but again they opted for a semi-classical lineup.
You're crossing company lines there. War Machine is Marvel.
Anywho sorry fodder, debate goes on.
Quote:
Saying the masks stay on out of respect is really a cop-out. A lot of shows do not have the alternate identities of the people modeled so they find work arounds. And that is what you are seeing here. No more no less. If they had respect for each other they wouldnt care if they were wearing thier cape and mask.
You'll notice most episodes don't have all the characters in them. As far as we know they could be strutting around naked back at home while we watch the escapades of the other members. I think the only way we'll see any of them out of costume is when a story actually calls for it (such as the Darkest Night eps with GL)
Quote:
Concerning the animation style. I did say that there were a couple battle scenes where it got better. The Justice Guild episode is probaly one of my favorites. It had an original story line. Made references to tons of different cartoons, comics and superheroes. The animation was above par for it.
But saying that the pilot for JL and for B:AS are respective of showing how each show improved. I don't accept that. Because by the pilot B:AS (hope im using the acronyms right here) already had a lot of its trademarks in it. And by the end of all the different series. It was starting to look worse when Batman and Superman shared that angular style. I couldnt help but look at the Batmobile and think of Freakazoid's "It's Toyorific!"
Watch the episodes with Etrigan the Demon and Vandal Savage (thats the one where several members get sent back in time) and you'll see the improvements you want. As for the pilot episodes? I don't see a problem with a war of the worlds based storyline; it worked and set a good tone for the season. Besides, WotW is a great story to begin with.
With the animation improvents I wasn't talking about TNBA (the angular style). Watch the first few eps of B:TAS and then watch some of the last (The Lion and the Unicorn was the last Fox episode) and you will see the VAST improvments were made. TNBA style needed time to get used to; some of the characters clicked beyond perfectly, some didn't (coughJokercough). As for the vehicles, I think they went for a uniform look to give all the vehicles, a single style theme. If anything was Toyetic it was batman's personal flyer jet pack thingy... that was just lame.
There most certainly are things that need to be worked on in both the animation and writing department, especially for a show what has to live up to the previous outings Timm & Crew have done with them. PArt fo the problem is that a ton of the people that worked on the previous series have decided to take on other projects (Static Shock, Teen Titans, X-Men: Evolution, and more are all have ex-Timm crew players heavily involved with them). I expect to see vast improvments as they learn from the mistakes from the first season.
Oh yeah, Timm himself said that he can't watch some of the episodes from the first season of Batman without cringing from how bad the animation is (which is saying alot since even then they better than anything else animated on TV except maybe the Simpsons) he also stated the he realized the weaknesses of the first season of JL and that they worked hard to iron them out; specificly stating the writing was one of those things (He mentioned War World specificly). _________________ "Veni. Vedi. Spooki." - Julius Caesar
I came. I saw. I spooked.
Hate to interrupt but I just wanted to get back to the main topic.
Tonight we finnaly found a reason why to put it on ASA. Blood...lots of bloddy blood. Oh, and of course the deep depressiing storyline and all the choking that the kids wouldn't really like. I think the main reason they opted for Adult Swim was to be able to show the full show and to appeal to an audience that would appreciate it for what it is instead of looking at the characters then throwing rocks at the tv till the characters look newer.
This story reminds me alot of megaman....except without the insane Gung-Ho way Mega solve's problems. This is pretty much the deepest I've ever seen a "machine who wants to be human" storyline go.
Plus his guitar is kickass. _________________ Bang.
Fri Jun 13, 2003 12:37 am
nightfall
Joined: Jun 19, 2003
Post subject:
It is now spring, obviously several months have passed since Gill's lab exploded. Mitsuko and Masaru are expectantly hopeful of Jiro's return. Jiro sadly looks back and walks away.
This is what I love/hate about serious anime: they leave it open.
Come on, people! I want my endings tied up neatly with a bow and tagged "happily ever after" or "and they all died in the end".
I heard mention of OAVs. Can someone at least let us know what happens in them? I want Jiro to come home, dangit! _________________ May the curse of Mary Malone and her nine blind orphan children persue you so far over the hills and seas that God Almighty can't find you with a radio telescope. - Amanda Grayson
Fri Jun 27, 2003 12:07 pm
JJc14
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
Post subject:
yea, there's a four episode ova that supposedly takes place after the series and it'll air next week...i don't know a thing about 'em though, so if you're looking for info before they air, i can't help ya...
as for the kikaider tv series itself, i rather liked it in the end...it started out as less than stellar but really built up over the short span of the series...i thought the final episode was done well and i found the ending very reminiscent of trigun, where they don't give you a "final" ending, but you feel like it's ended, which is good enough for me... _________________ "Life's a journey, not a destination..." -Aerosmith ('Amazing')
Current RPG(s): (None)
Fri Jun 27, 2003 2:13 pm
Gundam0084
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
Post subject:
After checking for info on the 2000(year it was made, that is) Kikaider anime(the one on Adult Swim now) at Anime News Network, I found out that it has 13 episodes. Currently, Adult Swim has only shown 12 episodes of it. I'm willing to bet that the final episode will be shown on Monday night(unless Cartoon Network is going to skip the last ep like 08 MS Team).
Sat Jun 28, 2003 1:08 pm
Gundam0084
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
Post subject:
After checking for info on the 2000(year it was made, that is) Kikaider anime(the one on Adult Swim now) at Anime News Network, I found out that it has 13 episodes. Currently, Adult Swim has only shown 12 episodes of it. I'm willing to bet that the final episode will be shown on Monday night(unless Cartoon Network is going to skip the last ep like 08 MS Team).
Sat Jun 28, 2003 1:08 pm
Gundam0084
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
Post subject:
Sorry for the double post(first post had an error).
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
Sorry for the double post(first post had an error).