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In case you guys haven't heard, the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) is "gathering evidence and preparing lawsuits against individual users..."
Read the article (or as much of it as your attention span can withstand) and answer the poll. I'm curious as to how everyone else feels about this.
My opinion is that the RIAA has the right to be angry at all of the file swappers, but I think they're going about it the wrong way. I think it would be a good idea for all of the major record labels to get together and form a cheap MP3 download site with a lot of songs on it and advertise it as much as they can, although I'm not sure how they could get the users off of Kazaa, it's hard to beat free...
So, when you respond, tell what you voted for and what you think the RIAA should do about piracy. If you don't agree with any of the poll choices, then I guess tell us what you do agree with.
Wed Jul 02, 2003 4:18 pm
TylerL
Joined: Oct 10, 2002
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I think most of the pirates out there are under 18.
That makes it hard to either sell them music online, or sue them. _________________ My old sig was too long.
Wed Jul 02, 2003 5:02 pm
SlimJim
Joined: Nov 09, 2002
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Damn straight TylerL!
I can't buy cds. I can't buy them simply because I make no money. I'm not into music that much, but when everyone in my school goes, "Have you heard the new Emenim song?" or "Man, this new song is great" I can't help but take intrest. So what do I do? Download it offa Kazaa. _________________ *Floats by on a cloud*
Wed Jul 02, 2003 5:50 pm
wildarmsheero
Joined: Jun 27, 2003
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I think they're acting like children. All they want is more money and they're going for it in the most simple and childish way. _________________ Comic | Wallpapers | Art | Music
Wed Jul 02, 2003 7:13 pm
Force-Attuned_Krogoth
Joined: Nov 10, 2002
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Well, they do have a point. It can't be said that filesharing does not take money away from the owners and/or creators of intellectual property. The question, though, is how much?
Most of the music I download i would never buy. Or at least, I tell myself I'd never buy it. THe only things I have downloaded and haven't bought that I'd like to are Beatles songs, and Evangelion. I feel sorry for the former, but haven't had any chance to acquire the latter. I'll get both eventually, though. _________________ Krogoth uses Berserk.
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Wed Jul 02, 2003 9:30 pm
Nobuyuki
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
Post subject: Re: The war of RIAA
Cooolcorey wrote:
I think it would be a good idea for all of the major record labels to get together and form a cheap MP3 download site with a lot of songs on it and advertise it as much as they can,
Kind of like this? Not everything's in place yet, but it's coming.
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although I'm not sure how they could get the users off of Kazaa, it's hard to beat free...
It's up to the individual. I feel better paying for it and giving the artists some royalties, even if it ain't much.
But you won't eliminate music OR video piracy completely. _________________ "When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."- C.S. Lewis
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Wed Jul 02, 2003 10:57 pm
Daikun
Joined: Nov 02, 2002
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I can hear the RIAA whining now...
"Wah! Daikun downloaded a song! He must go to jail for listening to a single, solitary song for free and not paying $50 to hear 3 lousy minutes of music (and 21 other songs he doesn't like or want). Wah wah. Boo-hoo."
Dudes! Chill out! I don't wanna pay for an overpriced CD that has only 1 or 2 good songs on it while the rest is crap I don't like! That's not what we American citizens should pay our good money for. We're a capitalist society, after all, so if we don't want crap on our CDs, then the government shouldn't make us have to pay for it. It's our money and we do whatever the hell we want with it. End of story. That's why KaZaA, Napster, etc. exist: so we can organize our songs and keep only the good ones we like. Not only does it make things more convenient for us, but it's also not uber-expensive and best of all...NO CRAP!
As for the artists whining about file-swapping programs mysteriously making their wallets disappear into thin air, well, I've got news: they're already OVERPAID for the crap they spill out on the Billboard Top (er, Bottom) 40 List! And they get plenty of tickets from their wild fans at their concerts (and the people who don't file-swap and buy their very, very pricey CDs). Hell, they've got more than enough money to buy a Slurpee machine--maybe two, or even seven!
Recording music onto cassette tapes isn't a crime, and neither is recording entire movies onto a blank VHS. KaZaA is no different. So, what's the problem? _________________ Toonami visual schedule - UPDATED AUGUST 2, 2015
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Thu Jul 03, 2003 2:41 am
TheWorldWeKnow
Joined: Nov 08, 2002
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SlimJim wrote:
Damn straight TylerL!
I can't buy cds. I can't buy them simply because I make no money. I'm not into music that much, but when everyone in my school goes, "Have you heard the new Emenim song?" or "Man, this new song is great" I can't help but take intrest. So what do I do? Download it offa Kazaa.
-_-' I don't think Tyler's comments necessarily supported you...he just basically said it would be hard for the record industry to actually go through with a sucessful suit...
as for being unethical...I dunno, it probably is...but then again, I think it's unethical to make a CD with 2 good songs on it for 50 cents and sell it for 18 bucks...we's all unethical
Thu Jul 03, 2003 2:47 am
TylerL
Joined: Oct 10, 2002
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I'd agree with all the people who say "the artists barely get any money from their albums!" and fight the good fight against the greedy RIAA...
...then I watch MTV Cribs. _________________ My old sig was too long.
Thu Jul 03, 2003 6:19 am
Cooolcorey
Joined: Nov 08, 2002
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I was watching MTV one day and they were interviewing some artists and they asked somthing like "How much money does it take to run a concert?" or something like that. They said that it takes a lot of money blah blah, but a guy at the record company told them that you make the CD's as advertising for your concerts because the concerts is where you will make your money.
And the reason for that? The record companies don't give the artists enough royalties the way it is. So, while the supporters of the RIAA think they're supporting the artists as well, they're actually supporting the record producer's already fat wallet.
Thu Jul 03, 2003 7:13 am
counterparadox
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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When Napster was in it's peak, music sales were up 10%.
See, here's the thing. When people like us are faced with greed, we get pissed off. That is why smart people created systems of file sharing in the first place. If the music industry figured out how to use it to their advantage, then everyone would be happy. But no, they get pissed because they are loosing a few cents to every dollar, even though it makes their music more accessible and thus they can charge more for ticket sales because they are now more popular. Thus making MORE than they would have been otherwise.
File sharing is not evil. The music industry is simply too lazy to figure out how to use it to their advantage. Why do you think Apple had like 200,000 downloads the first day it opened it's MP3 music store?
I like supporting the artists too, but only if I like more than one song, which isn't usually the case. I love Ben Folds. I own 4 of the 6 CDs, and have another one that is a burned copy of someone else's. However, I like the music so much that I'll eventually BUY the CD that I have burned. Part of the reason is also that Folds isn't as commercial as everyone else. He's just a guy rockin out on a piano. Not a rapper with frikken gold plated skin.
I'm sick of the greed. Thus, I download. The RIAA is only making things HARDER on themselves. _________________ anime is teh s uck
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Thu Jul 03, 2003 9:05 am
FinalDivineDragoon
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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Besides there's one simple thing you can do to avoid the lawsuits, and still dl the music you want. Turn off your file sharing with whatever program you use because the RIAA said that they would only go after those who download and upload mp3's.
Also the way I see it...How can they sue me when I only dl music that I can't buy and isn't even licensensed under a major label(i.e. j-pop)? Oh sure I could look for an import store or site and pay twice as much as a normal cd, but still I don't consider that to be wrong. _________________ There is limited intelligence in the galaxy, but the stupidity of the universe is infinite.
Thu Jul 03, 2003 10:55 am
JJc14
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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from the little i understand about file sharing, i think it's already way too late to stop it...the riaa seems to continue their belief that they can freeze it completely, and that doesn't seem to be possible anymore...
Cooolcorey wrote:
I was watching MTV one day and they were interviewing some artists and they asked somthing like "How much money does it take to run a concert?" or something like that. They said that it takes a lot of money blah blah, but a guy at the record company told them that you make the CD's as advertising for your concerts because the concerts is where you will make your money.
from what i know, it comes down to the genre of music as to how much artists can make off the actual album...pop and rap acts appear to make the most off of album sales to the degree that they can almost live off royalites for a while if they crack out a big hit or two...rock acts are lucky to see pocket change, as like you said, albums are only a means of garnering attention so that they can sell concert tickets (which they see a much greater profit of, depending on sales, management, etc.)
as for my view on the whole thing, i used napster back in the day to download music, and i burned one cd ("zeppelin iv", which i bought six months later), but it's been years since then, and i just buy the music i want and rely on radio for the rest...i think it just came down to the fact that i'd like to be in the position to make albums in the future, so the whole "do unto others as you'd have them do to you" thing took effect...that's not to say i hold any ill will toward those who do this though, as i always say people should feel free to do what they want... _________________ "Life's a journey, not a destination..." -Aerosmith ('Amazing')
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Thu Jul 03, 2003 11:37 am
counterparadox
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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It happens to me too often that I buy a CD and then don't like most of the songs on it. So instead, if I'm not sure about a band/artist, I dl the song, so that I have THAT SONG, but no commitment of $15. I'm not made of money, you know.
If I REALLY like a band/artist, I'll support them. I don't dl a whole CD and then burn it. I may make a mix CD once a year, but other than that, I know people much worse than me. I justify it by saying it raises my interest in music and thus it's GOOD for hte industry.
And then there are those songs you can't buy, like Ben Folds Five's cover of the Scooby Doo theme (yeah the show sucked but damn they covered it good) and other such gems. _________________ anime is teh s uck
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Fri Jul 04, 2003 9:13 am
Shinobo
Joined: Nov 05, 2002
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TylerL wrote:
...then I watch MTV Cribs.
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