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Kakashi's voice was dead on, all is not lost. Actually with the exception of the kiss everything was fine, the voices fit the character and there was only one major edit.
Kakashi's voice sounds almost the same as Sasuke's, Iruka's and Mizuki's. Are they quadruplets or voiced by the same actor??? Where's the variety and uniqueness? How can four so totally different characters in age, temperment and personality sound so much alike???
The dubbing on this show is incredibly weak and leaves A LOT to be desired.
With all due respect, what the heck are you talking about. Kakashi sounded calm, laid back and respectable just the kind voice that suits his character. Sasuke talked like a angst filled teenager, Iruka voice held tha authority of a teacher both in this episode and the last ones(and belive you me, I've yelled at by enough teachers to know when they mean business).
About the only VA I had trouble with was the one for Shikimaru, I expected him to be much more laid back. It just didn't have the "That's nice but why should I care" feel. Other than that every one else seemed to be cast rather well specially Kurenai.
Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:59 pm
Vegito1471
Joined: Aug 15, 2004
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Why are these people complaining? If the voices "suck" then dont watch it. You dont have to let everyone know that you cant accept a decent dub. This dub is one of the best ones I have ever seen. EVERYTHING is being pronounced right and its just the beginning of the show. Like I have said before, GIVE IT TIME TO IMPROVE. No person does not improve at something they keep doing. Intros and Outros are fine, their are not the 4kids style of starting a show and it actually sounds kind of like the 2nd original opening of naruto. You shouldn't worry about that in the first place because you dont watch it just to see the intro. All the voice actors just need time to get used to their roles. If your complaining about edits watch the dvd's then. If you decide to keep watching you will feel like you acted stupid in the past because you are going to start liking it. _________________ Anime Conquers all.
1.Dragonball Z
2.Naruto
3.Yu Yu Hakusho
Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:15 pm
jackfrost
Joined: Sep 12, 2005
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Fansubbers support the industry? Debatable. But I don't feel like getting into that right now. But I just want to say that that is DEFFINITELY debatable.
ANYTHING'S debatable, whether it's fansubbers' influence or whether the Earth is flat. What's undeniable, though, is the fact that the anime boom in this country since the 90s has been largely fueled by U.S. distributors' recognition that fansubbed anime has a huge and fanatical audience, one with deep pockets that were waiting to be mined. Fairly sensible businessmen that they were, they simply took advantage of it.
Why would Cartoon Network, VIZ, Funimation and all of the other companies waste so much time and money on products they didn't know had a waiting and potentially growing audience? By looking at WHICH fansubs have the biggest audience, they can get a pretty clear idea of which anime will be successful in this country and who it should best be marketed to. Fansubs do half of the marketing research and promo work for them, for free!
Sun Sep 18, 2005 3:16 pm
Chibi_Zero
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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jackfrost wrote:
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Fansubbers support the industry? Debatable. But I don't feel like getting into that right now. But I just want to say that that is DEFFINITELY debatable.
ANYTHING'S debatable, whether it's fansubbers' influence or whether the Earth is flat. What's undeniable, though, is the fact that the anime boom in this country since the 90s has been largely fueled by U.S. distributors' recognition that fansubbed anime has a huge and fanatical audience, one with deep pockets that were waiting to be mined. Fairly sensible businessmen that they were, they simply took advantage of it.
Yeah fansubs did help get people interested in anime in the US. And yes distributors took note and started to license them.
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Why would Cartoon Network, VIZ, Funimation and all of the other companies waste so much time and money on products they didn't know had a waiting and potentially growing audience? By looking at WHICH fansubs have the biggest audience, they can get a pretty clear idea of which anime will be successful in this country and who it should best be marketed to. Fansubs do half of the marketing research and promo work for them, for free!
But you forget not all fansubbers are "ethical" they will continue to sub them even after they are licensed.I would be lying if I said that I do not watch a fansub of a licensed series. But I plan on buying the DVD's as soon as the are available(not that it makes it legal). However there are a number of people who will download the fansubs and never buy the DVD's. So in the end fansubs also become a problem for distributors. After all why would you want to buy something you can d/l for free? _________________ "I'm just very selective about the reality I choose to accept." - Calvin
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Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:07 pm
JKyle
Joined: Jan 21, 2003
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jackfrost wrote:
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Fansubbers support the industry? Debatable. But I don't feel like getting into that right now. But I just want to say that that is DEFFINITELY debatable.
ANYTHING'S debatable, whether it's fansubbers' influence or whether the Earth is flat. What's undeniable, though, is the fact that the anime boom in this country since the 90s has been largely fueled by U.S. distributors' recognition that fansubbed anime has a huge and fanatical audience, one with deep pockets that were waiting to be mined. Fairly sensible businessmen that they were, they simply took advantage of it.
Why would Cartoon Network, VIZ, Funimation and all of the other companies waste so much time and money on products they didn't know had a waiting and potentially growing audience? By looking at WHICH fansubs have the biggest audience, they can get a pretty clear idea of which anime will be successful in this country and who it should best be marketed to. Fansubs do half of the marketing research and promo work for them, for free!
You could, but there's that whole "Intelligent Design" mess that's much more hip.
Fansubs have an influence but not a huge one. Fansub popularity =/= Mainstream popularity. Chobits was never as big in America as it was on the net, Detective Cona... er... Case Closed didn't really expand much farther than it's cult audience, and people are still wondering why stuff like Scrapped Princess and Prince of Tennis isn't licensed.
And despite their huge numbers One Piece and Naruto weren't snatched as soon as they could've been, and if 4Kids had paid clsoe attention to the large number of OP fans, Sanji wouldn't be smoking a lollipop.*
I won't debate that fansubbers support the industry. Because even if they never spend a red cent on the product they are free advertisement.
HOWEVER they are not a huge foundation upon which profitability sits. Profitability depends on
A) Can we show it on TV and how many will watch it
B) How much will it cost to edit it put it on TV
C) Will it sell T-Shirts and Toys, and Bears OH MY.
*Smoking may cause cancer. Smoking a lollipop may cause slagged sugar product to raze the inside of your mouth. Don't try this at home. _________________ JKyle.com (Because bad things happen to good people) Cast in the Name of God
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Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:24 pm
Nobuyuki
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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JKyle wrote:
I won't debate that fansubbers support the industry. Because even if they never spend a red cent on the product they are free advertisement.
HOWEVER they are not a huge foundation upon which profitability sits. Profitability depends on
A) Can we show it on TV and how many will watch it
B) How much will it cost to edit it put it on TV
C) Will it sell T-Shirts and Toys, and Bears OH MY.
And JKyle wins again, even if he forgot that Scrapped Princess is licensed and halfway through its US release.
Fansubs are a two-edged sword. They may be an indicator to US distribution companies of what people are interested in, but the Japanese are also aware of them, and raise the bidding prices of their licenses to suit. That's one reason it took a year and a half for a Naruto licensing deal- everyone knew it was a gold mine and wanted a piece of it. _________________ "When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."- C.S. Lewis
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Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:45 pm
jackfrost
Joined: Sep 12, 2005
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And despite their huge numbers One Piece and Naruto weren't snatched as soon as they could've been, and if 4Kids had paid clsoe attention to the large number of OP fans, Sanji wouldn't be smoking a lollipop.*
Heh, heh... Lollipop sucker! They can't really have him smoke with the TV rating they gave the show, but they could've given him something a little more manly to put in his mouth, like a toothpick. But that probably would've cost 2 cents more to edit in, so they scrapped it.
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HOWEVER they are not a huge foundation upon which profitability sits. Profitability depends on
A) Can we show it on TV and how many will watch it
B) How much will it cost to edit it put it on TV
C) Will it sell T-Shirts and Toys, and Bears OH MY.
With a huge internet sub fanbase, points (A) and (C) are almost a given for many shows. Point (B) seems like the only real variable.
Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:29 pm
Laughingman
Joined: Jun 23, 2005
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jackfrost wrote:
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And despite their huge numbers One Piece and Naruto weren't snatched as soon as they could've been, and if 4Kids had paid clsoe attention to the large number of OP fans, Sanji wouldn't be smoking a lollipop.*
Heh, heh... Lollipop sucker! They can't really have him smoke with the TV rating they gave the show, but they could've given him something a little more manly to put in his mouth, like a toothpick. But that probably would've cost 2 cents more to edit in, so they scrapped it.
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HOWEVER they are not a huge foundation upon which profitability sits. Profitability depends on
A) Can we show it on TV and how many will watch it
B) How much will it cost to edit it put it on TV
C) Will it sell T-Shirts and Toys, and Bears OH MY.
With a huge internet sub fanbase, points (A) and (C) are almost a given for many shows. Point (B) seems like the only real variable.
4K!DS has reapetedly defied the reason of point B in order to achieve their ideal of point A, which in turn has ruined all their hopes of reaching point C. I'm speaking ofcourse about the One Piece dub.
Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:35 pm
JJc14
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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Uh, don't mean to interrupt the conversation, but I thought I'd throw out my opinions on episode three...
I'm liking what I'm seeing with the students that I'm assuming we'll be seeing developed more as the series progresses. Sure, some of them initially fit into the 'stereotypical' roles, but they seem like a fun, entertaining bunch...
Naruto's voice is slowly growing on me, as my initial reaction was "Wow, this kid sounds like a brat", but it's obvious that's very fitting for the role, so I can accept it in that sense. Nothing else strikes me as negative, so no qualms here...
I would normally close this here, but I noticed this earlier:
Laughingman wrote:
Actually with the exception of the kiss everything was fine, the voices fit the character and there was only one major edit.
You don't mean they animated the 'kiss' I'm thinking of, do you? If so, then I'm more than happy they cut it out...
And that's it for me. May your debate commence... _________________ "Life's a journey, not a destination..." -Aerosmith ('Amazing')
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Sun Sep 18, 2005 9:57 pm
counterparadox
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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jackfrost wrote:
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Fansubbers support the industry? Debatable. But I don't feel like getting into that right now. But I just want to say that that is DEFFINITELY debatable.
ANYTHING'S debatable, whether it's fansubbers' influence or whether the Earth is flat. What's undeniable, though, is the fact that the anime boom in this country since the 90s has been largely fueled by U.S. distributors' recognition that fansubbed anime has a huge and fanatical audience, one with deep pockets that were waiting to be mined. Fairly sensible businessmen that they were, they simply took advantage of it.
Why would Cartoon Network, VIZ, Funimation and all of the other companies waste so much time and money on products they didn't know had a waiting and potentially growing audience? By looking at WHICH fansubs have the biggest audience, they can get a pretty clear idea of which anime will be successful in this country and who it should best be marketed to. Fansubs do half of the marketing research and promo work for them, for free!
Please tell me, what part of "But I don't feel like getting into that right now" don't you understand? _________________ anime is teh s uck
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Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:48 pm
jackfrost
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Please tell me, what part of "But I don't feel like getting into that right now" don't you understand?
You don't have to, if you don't want to. It's a free country.
Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:57 pm
KingSpanky
Joined: Dec 25, 2004
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The internet knows no country. The Law of the Land here is the will of the mods.
Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:47 am
Beefy
Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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Jorbowsky, I don't want to put you on the spot, you don't have to answer if you don't want to, but I'm curious and would like you to please answer the following questions: (anyone else who wants to answer is welcome to as well)
1) How many official (non-bootleg) Region 1 (USA/Canada) anime DVDs do you and/or your brother own?
2) How many official (non-bootleg) Region 2 (Japan/Europe) anime DVDs do you and/or your brother own?
3) How many anime DVDs have you not purchased because you already saw the series/movie fansubbed?
4) How many anime DVDs have you purchased because you saw the series/movie fansubbed?
5) Do you make any blind anime DVD purchases? (Buy a series/movie you have not seen fansubbed.) If yes, how many?
6) How many anime DVDs have you purchased because you saw the series/movie on U.S. television?
7) How many anime DVDs have you not purchased because you already saw the series/movie on U.S. television?
8) If you read anime magazines like NewType, Animerica, Anime Insider. How many anime DVDs do you purchase after reading an article in a magazine or online?
9) How many anime DVDs have you not purchased after reading an article/review in a magazine or online? _________________ "Robots don't say 'ye'."
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Mon Sep 19, 2005 1:03 am
JKyle
Joined: Jan 21, 2003
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jackfrost wrote:
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Please tell me, what part of "But I don't feel like getting into that right now" don't you understand?
You don't have to, if you don't want to. It's a free country. :)
I got into it for him.
Point B wasn't the only variable, because plenty of series that will NEVER see the light of day on network TV (broadcast or cable) move merchandise like there's no tomorrow.
For example:
Mainstream Kid Friendly:
DBZ is yes on A (a big yes), a little less than it used to be on B (which was a lot), and YESYESYES on C.
Niche Market:
Fruits Basket is sure but not many on A, moderate on B, and also YESYESYES on C.
Mainstream Mature:
Bebop was yes and plenty, not that much, and OH YEAH on C.
Niche Mature:
Big O (1, not 2 which CN had a hand no mater how small in) would be yes but not enough (on AS, on Toonami it would've continued building a cult but being unprofitable), not much, and no
And, b/c you were all waiiting for me to mention our buds in the Ham Ham gang.
Niche Kids Market:
Hamtaro; Yes, but apparently not enough on A, next to nothing on B, plenty on C. Course, if it is gone for good CN might've done it because even though it moved dolls, the bottom line is still THEIR profit.
So yeah, the variables bounce around a lot. But all three points are variables. If I had more time (or thought you were interested) I'd like shows in all those categories that varied so that the differences didn't look categorical. Briefly I'll just say that Yu Gi Oh sold toys like DBZ and required less censorship, whereas Full Metal Alchemist could pull in Bebop numbers also requiring less censorship.
And sorry for the Scrapped Princess mishap, but it was one of the main ones I remembered hearing people clamor for to no avail.
And LaughingMan, C is not even a factor because there's
1) A lack of merchandise
2) 4Kids' focus on B to reach the first half of A, negates the SECOND half of A which in the case of a show lacking the cute factor seriously impedes the road to C. _________________ JKyle.com (Because bad things happen to good people) Cast in the Name of God
Ye Not Guilty
Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:05 am
SlimJim
Joined: Nov 09, 2002
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I'm all for a good debate, but ten pages? Gentlemen, I propose a cease fire...
Can we go back to discussing our opinions on the show WITHOUT an arguement? _________________ *Floats by on a cloud*
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