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Counterparadox, you took this a little too far. If you look at my statement when I first mentioned it said.
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(Note: that came out recently [past 5 years])
Might I remind you to read the posts before you start spouting.
All the quality ones you mentioned have been around for a while. Now if Disney is trying to change that image that’s fine. I am all for it cause they could do some top-notch stuff. But as of now they are based towards kids and kids alone
You are correct; I don't like Pokeman, or any of the others you mentioned.
Now to be so arrogant to say that they would be no animation without Walt Disney is saying something like there is no Yankees without A-rod. (I'm a Marlins fan anyway.) If he didn't create it someone else would have.
Anyway, Simpson, Family Guy...they are kids friendly yet they have more substance to them than Disney's stuff.
To be ignorant is not to know something, I will give anything a chance but if I don't like it that is my opinion alone, no matter where it is from. I am not closed minded or bias, but I am entitled to my own opinion. As for not knowing anything, well you said it yourself Counter, I am a smart newbie. Or did you forget that one too?
Mon Apr 12, 2004 4:56 pm
SlimJim
Joined: Nov 09, 2002
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May i dance?
Yes, bliss, if disney didn't start anime, then WARNER BROS WOULD HAVE. think about it. We are the cause for just about all good things in japan, minus deep cultural influences. The reason Japan is so technologically advanced is that we GAVE them that ability. Anime was spawned from OUR animation!
I hate people that think Japan is some kinda wonderland, which it isn't. It's morally corupt in multiple ways, and most anime has enough fan service to make my dog sick. No, I have not seen any anime movies, or a lot of anime for that matter. Just bits and pieces of some of the greats. BUT if the show is in general like what i see, then 75% of anime is morally corupt and overall LACKING! Keep in mind that Evangelion, Ah! My Goddess!, and other renowned animation are that 25%. I am not touching DBZ for the sake of this arguement.
last GET OVER YOUSELF! Anime isn't all it's cracked up to be, and it should never be life. I am not saying you are obsessed with it, or even that it's your hobby. I'm just saying it isn't worth arguing about like politics and religion, but it should be argued along side discussion.
THANK YOU!
GOOD NIGHT! _________________ *Floats by on a cloud*
Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:41 pm
Nobuyuki
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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Help yourself, Andro.
primalbliss wrote:
But as of now they are based towards kids and kids alone
And they do a fine job of it, too. There's nothing inherently wrong with that.
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If he didn't create it someone else would have.
This is true. There were animated shorts before Disney started, but animated cartoons would never have become as popular without him, or the contributions of the "Termite Terrace" gang, among others.
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Anyway, Simpson, Family Guy...they are kids friendly yet they have more substance to them than Disney's stuff.
In your humble opinion, of course.
I have no problem with you stating your opinion, as long as it's not generalized bashing or proclaiming that one country's form of animation is inherently superior to another's. There a whole lot of crap from both sides of the pond. We CAN all get along if we keep one thing in mind:
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All of anime, and everything that goes with it, is about
cartoons. Nothing more, nothing less, and nothing to take
personally.
P.S.- I think Ninja Scroll's over-rated, too.
*grabs another handful of popcorn* _________________ "When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."- C.S. Lewis
"Superman can't be emo. He can't cut himself."-CP
Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:41 pm
SlimJim
Joined: Nov 09, 2002
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same minute...that's creepy nobu o_O _________________ *Floats by on a cloud*
Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:44 pm
counterparadox
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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[Ghetto fabulous voice] Oh no you di'nt![/Voice]
Don't tell me to read before posting. Ever. I'm a mod for a reason. I DO read. Don't insult me.
When I say that without Walt there would be no animation, I mean it. Perhaps someone would have done what he did, but it wouldn't have happened for another 10, 20, 30 years. Literally. You want to discount his accomplishments? Fine. But without him, that would set back the quality of animation so much that the best stuff we would see today is on par with the original Gundam cartoon. But I prefer to praise Walt for his influence on animation.
Disney (the company) right now is a whore. Yes. Eisner has been gutting the company. Fine. You don't have to like Lio and Stitch. In fact I didn't. I didn't like Atlantis either. But Disney is not all of American animation. And just because something doesn't have gallons upon gallons of blood spewing, or swears every minute, or faires frolicking nude and then having sex, just because something doesn't have that stuff doesn't mean it isn't good.
Sure Batman the Animated Series would have been more realistic with a little bit of blood, but even without it it was a damn good show. So was Superman. Batman Beyond. EXO Squad. Xmen. Spiderman. The list goes on.
My point is this. To declare American animation is inferior is not factually correct. You may not like it as much, you may not like the style. Fine. But it isn't inferior. It isn't crap. It isn't bad just because it's not anime. And to me it sounds that you are making this judgement based purely on graphic content, meaning blood, sex, and language. Quite frankly, there are a ton of G and PG movies that are awesome. Animated or live action.
Point is, anime is not the most brilliant thing your eyes have seen since the sun.
Oh, and I'm not picking on your, or attacking you. Don't think I am. You are smarter than the average new guy that we get. And your able to articulate your view. It's just that anime fanboys that think American animation is inferior are a pet peeve of mine.
Oh, and Andro, I've always agreed with you concerning american animation. In fact, if memory serves me correctly, I've agreed with about 95% of your opinions (regarding cartoons.) _________________ anime is teh s uck
Play City of Heroes/Villians? Look me up, Pinnacle server, @C Paradox
Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:47 pm
Nobuyuki
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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SlimJim wrote:
same minute...that's creepy nobu o_O
You're younger and can type faster. _________________ "When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."- C.S. Lewis
"Superman can't be emo. He can't cut himself."-CP
Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:51 pm
Andromaton
Joined: Nov 17, 2003
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I know you have. It's just so much fun to finally see this argument from a bystanders point of view.
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Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:54 pm
counterparadox
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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_________________ anime is teh s uck
Play City of Heroes/Villians? Look me up, Pinnacle server, @C Paradox
Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:56 pm
Andromaton
Joined: Nov 17, 2003
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oh and Mr. Blissy (you don't mind me calling you that do you?) what's your opinion on films like El Cid and Nocturna? How about the newly announced Donkey Xote? I'd say Gisaku too but I won't.
Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:57 pm
Nobuyuki
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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Andromaton wrote:
How about the newly announced Donkey Xote?
Do tell.
I've always liked that story...although I think John Lithgow's recent performance would be hard to beat. _________________ "When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."- C.S. Lewis
"Superman can't be emo. He can't cut himself."-CP
Mon Apr 12, 2004 8:04 pm
primalbliss
Joined: Feb 23, 2004
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Tisk tisk, looks like I hit some nerves. This kind of discussion makes me wish I had internet at home.
Where to begin since I am getting it from all sides.
Japan is not a wonderland; the only wonderland in the world is in our own head. (Or in Orlando so says Disney) Sorry I had to throw that in, all in good sport. I am not 'into' myself. I just like debate and somehow this became one and here we are. Anime is not really a hobby on mine, though I do like it. We are the influence in Japan cause of a war back in the 40's where one person thought he was right and others didn't agree. (I am not condoning any of this; it's just a mere point.)
Counter, I never said it was inferior. I just said I don't like MOST of it. As for the reading the post poke, I was just keeping you on your toes. Yes I don't like Disney now, but I did watch it like it was virtual crack when I was a KID. And that’s all I am saying it's based toward children with some adult content. Disney got a great scheme, market the whole family to make more money. Give them the props damn it. As for the quality of animation if Walt wasn't around, who's to say someone before Walt didn't get the idea from the Egyptians Hieroglyphics. Who knows who created animation? In America it was Walt though. Oh and I don't feel attack or threatened, it's just nice to debate with people who have a higher intellect than most Anime fans.
Andromaton, you can call me Cindy if ya want but you'll have to buy me a drink first. Whatever makes you feel good. I am all about happiness, and you put a smile on my face. El CId was ok, but I don't know s*** about the others. Will watch them and let you know.
And the best thing I heard all day was!!!!!
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All of anime, and everything that goes with it, is about
cartoons. Nothing more, nothing less, and nothing to take
personally.
*breathe*
ok guys I just want you to know I graduate college in 2 weeks and I have a lot of work to do. I'll keep the heat coming if you want but don't expect this every day until the 24th. This is fun though; I took a half hour out of my time in the lab for this!
Mon Apr 12, 2004 9:38 pm
SlimJim
Joined: Nov 09, 2002
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I dun even worry about college yet, I'm a freshman in high school _________________ *Floats by on a cloud*
Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:42 pm
counterparadox
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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Ooo, touche. That was a helluva post there, Bliss. I think it cleared up a lot about what you've actually MEANT this whole time, too. I'd love to keep argueing (I, too, love a good discussion), but I think our viewpoints are only slightly different.
Mayhaps we could start some sort of debate over in Micellaneous Babble? In fact, I think I'll try. No one's tried to start a serious debate in quite some time. _________________ anime is teh s uck
Play City of Heroes/Villians? Look me up, Pinnacle server, @C Paradox
Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:43 pm
primalbliss
Joined: Feb 23, 2004
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Well Counter, your choice now since I suppose the last was started by me.
Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:52 pm
goku2049
Joined: Feb 23, 2004
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SlimJim wrote:
*gets into"strangle" mode*
DBZ may have been helpful, but we get these guys with it...
Every single guy i have ever seen with a DBZ name is always a jack-retard
to this day
no exceptions
Me: 287
Guys with DBZ names: 0
find a smart one and I'll change my tune...
No wonder you sound like a cocky little bastard, ur a fucking freshman! There is not one fucking thing wrong with having a name from DBZ; but just so you would get off my damn back about it, I changed it. _________________ "Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Valentinez Alkalinella Xifax Sicidabohertz Gombigobilla Blue Stradivari Talentrent Pierre Andri Charton-Haymoss Ivanovici Baldeus George Doitzel Kaiser the Third. Don't hesitate to call." - Vash The Stampede
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