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Most people would say oh, they go hand in hand, ones about the future and ones about the past! Now this is what got me thinking about really how sci-fi is "sci-fi"

SFX Magazine has released their Top 10 Sci-Fi Characters of All Time list.

1. Doctor Who (DOCTOR WHO)
2. Spike (BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER)
3. Buffy Summers (BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER)

4. John Crichton (FARSCAPE)
5. Aeryn Sun (FARSCAPE)
6. Han Solo (STAR WARS)
7. Willow Rosenberg (BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER)
8. Darth Vader (STAR WARS)
9. Angel (BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER)
10. Gandalf (LORD OF THE RINGS)


Five, count it F I V E, of the top 10 "Sci-Fi characters of all time are from fantasy, I don't know about you but Gandalf as a sci-fi character doesn't seem right. "Hark! Gandalf comes riding on yonder ridge.... sporting thine Laser Cannon Gimli! This day will be a good day!" No... no no no no no no no!

Sci-Fi is all about explaining a possible future no matter how implausible with the most plausible things they can. Everything is explained down to how super particle super distrupter ion cannons work and how it is man is able to easily travel billions of light years away. They explain everything that could need explaining because that is sci-fi, it's trhe science that makes it what it is.

fantasy on the other hand, is almost the anti-sci-fi. nothing is explained. why do dragons exsist? because they were around a long time. How did elves ocme to be? magic. Speaking of magic, what is it? It's magic, duh, sheesh moron. Stop asking stupid qustions. Fantasy is mythic and story/character driven whereas sci-fi is technology driven.

Neither is bad, but they are polar opposites and should never have been piled up onto each other as they have. Actually I blame Tolkien. Just because he had to go and explain and create every little detail about every language, culture, everything in his books cursed fantasy and sci-fi to be joined.
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I don't care what Joe Schmoe types down on his happy little typewriter.
And neither should you.

Someone's taking other people's opinions WAY too seriously. You have your own opinions. Nobody is asking you to put them in conflict.
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That top 10 just reminded me on my dislike of the pairing. my problem with it is, that it's way to commonplace of a pairing when they have little to nothing in common.
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Like fanboys using logic?
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oh dear lord I hate logic and everything it stands for. it goes against everything that is my being.
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Abandon logic!
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PostTue Dec 31, 2002 7:49 pm
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umm... yes
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Spook, I'd like to modify your classification of these characters. The Star Wars movies are not really sci-fi, just futuristic, except for Ep. 1. I consider Darth Vader, and particularly Han Solo to be fantasy characters.

Similarly, LOTR is very very borderline. Yes, some things are left to the imagination, but most of the mechanics of the world as it is are shown. To quote Richard Feynman, science is not wholly concerned with the "history" problem. How it came to be is far less important that what it does and why. Tolkien did a very good job of protraying and explaining Middle Earth, as well as it could have been explained by anyone in it. Giving the reader access to the unknowable is not very realistic, and sci-fi is all about realism.

And finally, I'd just like to point out that I don't think Captain Sun should be on there. Is this magazine devoted entirely to TV and movies? There are plenty of books with very good characterization.
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I'd like to know how you can take 4 characters from one show and say they are the best of all time.
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eh-hem... four characters from a non-sci-fi show
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Why the hell is Buffy mentioned even once on that list. Never mind four freakin times!
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I just love it how they can say "Top 10 Sci-Fi Characters of All Time" and only include shows that originate from the US. (Well okay, Doctor Who is debatable, but you'll see my point soon enough.) It treats the local as universal, and it's things like that that urk me. It's a logical fallacy that too many people use way too often. I'm sure at least a few of you will agree with me in that some of the best sci-fi (and/or fantasy for those of you that want to include them) characters "of All Time" have come from animated shows. The Gundam universe has one or two, Macross, Evangelion, and many others that I could list because either it would take too long or I just can't remember them right now. ("Ginko beloba helps strengthens you memory" my...uh...what's that thing back there between my legs and back?)

As for "the Slayer" being on the list...What I think happened was that they just lumped every show that wasn't a comedy, drama, or documentary into the sci-fi category. It's because of this kind of lazy generalization that Buffy made it on.
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We have the idiots in litterary(sp?) groups to blame for this.

Yes, Sci-Fi and fantasy are different, yes you can like both, and yes you can argue all day about what one thing in particular is or isn't either one.

Sci-fi and fantasy are looked down on as not having as much value as the work of say, Steinbeck, Twain, or Poe(who scares the hell outta me), but it's all a bunch of bullsh|t. Those who review books or study english are tainted with ignorance and view sci-fi and fantasy as what the geeks or nerds read, and therefore combine the two into one catagory, which is then given its own section. And they throw the comic books, RPG books, and manga in the same section- is Love Hina(baring mecha-Tama) or Initial D sci-fi or fantasy(not THAT type)? No.

And that list wasn't made by real sci-fi or fantasy fans. Just a bumch of pop culture crazed fools. At least they didn't have Captain Kirk on there.
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