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Well a friend and I got into a real heated battle over this and it almost cost us our friendship. So I'll just say that I support Corey and that what the issue comes down to in the end is the same as deciding the death penalty. Except that these children have done nothing wrong.
I even know a person who had an abortion and she's been scarred by it mentally and physically ever since and wishes no one else ever has to go through it. _________________ Bang.
Sat Apr 26, 2003 1:14 am
Fodder
Joined: Apr 02, 2003
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And you believe the government should push moral values on us? Look whats happening with Rick Santorium's comments. In Texas gay sex is illegal even behind closed doors. And you may be saying how is this the same as what we are talking about. It is. The governments pushing what it feels are the best moral values on the american people. Thats what I meant when I was saying about keeping the government out of peoples bodies. It is not the job of the federal government to say I should be christian, raise 2 1/2 kids, vote republican and be hetero. I am straight with 2 kids. But someone in my family had an abortion when she was 16. That would have ruined the lives of both the child and the mother. My mother had a failed pregnancy where the baby died at 6 months. This was before Roe v Wade. She had to carry the baby through term because of the laws of the land before that law. Stop thinking about whether abortion is right or wrong. Think more about how you plan on convincing people to think its wrong. Think more about how much big brother you are willing to allow in your life. If you are against abortion you should be against condoms, birth control methods, and anything else that stops the creation of your fellow human beings. Telling me that its okay to use a condom but wrong to have an abortion is actually backwards. That person who had the abortion now has to happy and healthy kids. Both are being raised in a good religious home with two loving parents. Not something that would have happened had she been forced to go to term. Was she wrong for not using protection. Hell yes and I have yelled at her for it many many times.
Decide how much government you want in your lives. And then you can decide on what morals you want to push on people. These are connected you just dont see it.
Sat Apr 26, 2003 7:38 am
John_Bono_Smithy_Satchmo
Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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*Bursts into song* Every sperm is saacred, every sperm is great!
Every time sperm's waasted, god gets quite irate...[/song]
Coolcory: Although I support thinking with your heart, you must balance it with at least half as much thinking with your head (no, not that head). Should our nation collapse from the debt it incurrs to raise the children of absentminded parents? Should taxpayers have to raise the child on thier dollar? Of course the baby has a right to living, but the taxpayers have a right to be taxed as little as possible. I know this is a bad example, but rights are in conflict. Wow, I sound like a government book.. Every person must judge for themselves where the breaking point, where one right overrides another, or overrides potential.
Fodder: speak less vague and more intelligeble at the end of your posts. Honestly, you regress from respects ouji-san to twelve year old in one sentence. It's like StFalcon5 posesses your body for the last two sentences of everything you type. _________________ This space left intentionally blank.
Sat Apr 26, 2003 10:45 am
Cooolcorey
Joined: Nov 08, 2002
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I understand what you're saying, but to me I think that the right for someone to live a full life outweighs the whole money side of things.
And Fodder, I think that if you don't want a kid, you shouldn't have sex, therefore, there is no need for condoms. I do believe that using condoms is better than having an abortion, since you're not really killing anybody, but you're still preventing life, so it's still a little iffy in my opinion.
And on the gay issue, I don't think gay people should get married, but I do agree that it's not the Government's place to stop them. In the Catholic religion, you can't have a gay marriage, but the government can't step in and tell you to go by the Catholic ways (or whatever religion's ways that don't support gay marriage for that matter) because of freedom of religion. And I repeat, I do not condone gayness of any kind, but as I said, that's my freedom of religion.
Sat Apr 26, 2003 2:56 pm
Fodder
Joined: Apr 02, 2003
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Satchmo, thanks from now on I will just delete the last two lines of every post. Btw, as has been mentioned before, I am far from 12 years old
Corey, abstinence is a wonderful thing isn't it? Its a shame that in the real world it doesn't work. Raging hormones and puberty have a wonderful way of screwing up rational thinking. Its easy to say "Dont have sex". Its diffucult when the oppurtunity presents itself. Though I agree on what you said about the government pushing church values even when you don't belong to that religion. I had never thought it that way.
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Sat Apr 26, 2003 5:07 pm
stFalcon5
Joined: Nov 04, 2002
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John_Bono_Smithy_Satchmo wrote:
It's like StFalcon5 posesses your body for the last two sentences of everything you type.
I disagree. Jabber Jaw. Soylent green is made of people. _________________ "KUSANAGI!"
Sat Apr 26, 2003 6:42 pm
John_Bono_Smithy_Satchmo
Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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Cooolcorey wrote:
I understand what you're saying, but to me I think that the right for someone to live a full life outweighs the whole money side of things.
As is your entitlement. I, however, am a little iffy, as if we lived within ideal means as such, we'd all be flat broke. Then there are the issues of the rights of the would be mother to live her life as she chooses, but that's another argument altogether.
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And Fodder, I think that if you don't want a kid, you shouldn't have sex, therefore, there is no need for condoms. I do believe that using condoms is better than having an abortion, since you're not really killing anybody, but you're still preventing life, so it's still a little iffy in my opinion.
But then wouldn't abstinance in itself be preventing possible life. By that logic, we should all go out, get married, and bang it like bunnies. Are you, CC, by any chance Catholic? I suppose Mormon is another high possibility. Just because you close a few doors of possiblility, of what could be, to select ones that are more likely to be the best doesn't make you the great satan.
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And I repeat, I do not condone gayness of any kind, but as I said, that's my freedom of religion.
Aww, what's wrong with a little homoerotic fun? _________________ This space left intentionally blank.
Tue Apr 29, 2003 5:52 pm
counterparadox
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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A) It is not your religious right in this country to 'disaprove' or homosexuals. Why? Because a) no sane religion condones anyone and b) the government does not allow you do do anything if you claim it's part of your religion. (Good example: Native Americans used to use paoti in they're rituals. But they are no longer allowed to.) 'Condoning' homosexuals is the equivalent of me hating you because you have hair on your head. If you don't 'condone' homosexuals then shut your bitchassed mouth, go make friends with one, and you'll see there's nothing wrong with them. No, seriously, until you've had prolonged conversations with any of them, you arne't allowed to speak on the matter. They are just as diverse as anyone else. They just happened to be attracted to others of the same gender for some reason that we have no yet discovered. (There are varying theories.)
B) Both the sperm and the egg die if they aren't used. Condoms don't stop anything from happening that wouldn't not happen anyways. Why not be allowed to follow our instincts and have a little pleasure, without ruining our lives by having a kid before we are ready? If I have the choice before giving all teenagers condoms, and allowing the dregs of society to keep procreating stupidity when they reach the age of 13, I choose condoms in a heartbeat. _________________ anime is teh s uck
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Tue Apr 29, 2003 6:16 pm
Force-Attuned_Krogoth
Joined: Nov 10, 2002
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My biggest problem with the socialist aspect of this country (and most religions, too) is the fact that they try to take away one of the most basic rights in the animal kingdom: the right to fail. In fact, I would go so far as to say that the ability of an unsuited organism to completely and utterly fail in life is the biggest boon to the development of complex creatures since whoever it was passed the law of probability. If we always protect people from themselves, how are they going to learn to be successful? However, genetics is not all of what determines a person. Environment has a big impact. You can get a completely rotten kid from smart parents, if he's not raised to use his skills properly (No, I won't get into any definitions of "proper upbringing"). Has anyone ever read Frankenstein? Remember why Victor refused to make a second monster? Was he guilty of murder because he tried to save others?
As for gays, what is the actual difference between a marriage of man-and-wife and man-and-other-man? Physically, it's the ability to reproduce. Mentally, it's all based on your heterosexual upbringing, and has nothing to do with "moral law." It don't hurt you to know that people are different. Spiritually, the gays don't subscribe to the belief that homosexuality is inherently evil, and that's about it. Socially, they aren't any different than any other couple. Whether it's called "marriage" or a "civil union," it's the committment of two people for each other that matters, not the chromosomal similarity. (Please don't bring up incest. I have no opinion) _________________ Krogoth uses Berserk.
Attacks are enhanced but defense weakens.
"Wait, that's not the cure button ... "
Tue Apr 29, 2003 7:04 pm
counterparadox
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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I have read Frankenstein. Valid point indeed, Krogoth.
Have you read The Gospel According to Larry? (By Janet Tashijan, or something like that. Author of Tru Confessions.) Granted it makes no point about homosexuals or abortion, but it is a remarkable commentary on American society. Especially consumerism and celebrity worship. I highly reccomend it. I believe that it has become my favorite book. Supremely realistic. _________________ anime is teh s uck
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Tue Apr 29, 2003 8:10 pm
Kalma
Joined: Nov 03, 2003
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Fodder wrote:
Raise 2 1/2 kids.
How do I raise 1/2 kids? _________________ You're An Inu (Dog)!
Loyal and protective. A true friend all the way.
You love having yours ears scratched, and being near your loved ones.
"If you people cared as much for human life as we do, we wouldn't have to kill all of you."
Tue Dec 23, 2003 1:22 am
dougisfunny
Joined: Oct 29, 2002
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share the kid with someone else
Frankenstein was sad... _________________ The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
Tue Dec 23, 2003 3:45 am
Daikun
Joined: Nov 02, 2002
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Am I missing something? Since when did this week become Kalma Resurrecting Super-Old Topics Week?
Tue Dec 23, 2003 4:56 am
Force-Attuned_Krogoth
Joined: Nov 10, 2002
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Since Winter Break came about and there was nothing else to do. I wouldn't mind too much, as long as important things were said. _________________ Krogoth uses Berserk.
Attacks are enhanced but defense weakens.
"Wait, that's not the cure button ... "
Tue Dec 23, 2003 6:09 pm
Kalma
Joined: Nov 03, 2003
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Yay, it is Kalma (Ressurects Super-Old Topics) week. I have my OWN week. Do you? No, did not think so. _________________ You're An Inu (Dog)!
Loyal and protective. A true friend all the way.
You love having yours ears scratched, and being near your loved ones.
"If you people cared as much for human life as we do, we wouldn't have to kill all of you."
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